Steve 0:00

We Nerv in the Band.

Kit 0:10

Hello and welcome to Nirvana the Band, the show, the podcast, the episode, the booking. My name is Kit, and I am joined by my two lovely co-hosts. I'm Michelle.

Steve 0:24

And I'm Steve.

Kit 0:25

And we are here today, as we always are, week after week, to talk about Nirvana the Band, the show. This week we're continuing our watch of Vice Land, season one, episode two, The Booking, which we will get into in a minute. But first, I wanted to check in with my lovely co-hosts. How are we doing?

Steve 0:42

Saw Toy Story 5 last night.

Kit 0:44

Oh, ooh. How was that?

Steve 0:46

Good. I cried a lot. I'm gonna create a new Toy Story spin-off podcast from this one. Whoa. What's it called? Uh I duh my toy story. I don't know. I didn't think this bit through. And then I realized, like, what if you s we have people who actually listen to the show, so if I say that, I'm maybe gonna have to make a Toy Story spin-off podcast.

Michelle 1:05

Um don't we'll be checking in.

Steve 1:07

Yeah, please don't.

Michelle 1:09

Um, should should we revisit before we get into your thoughts about Toy Story? Should we revisit something um that we talked about a couple weeks ago and and maybe eat a little crow? Because Taylor Swift does have a song in Toy Story 5. And it's not good. It it seems fine.

Kit 1:25

Oh. I didn't know that existed. That's incredible for all of the Taylor Swift fans out there who are also a Toy Story fan.

Michelle 1:33

I They both have the same initials. It's true. I guess the psychopaths on the internet have told me.

Steve 1:39

Guys, I deleted threads, okay?

Michelle 1:41

I'm so proud of you.

Kit 1:42

This is the actual real update of Steve's life. You really were bullying us for a while there with your screenshots. I would open up my phone to have a little fun, like smooth brain time, and I would open up our Discord, and there I was, fucking flashbang with the most psychotic posts I've ever seen.

Steve 2:01

Do you know that there's a woman on there whose whole thing is claiming she's in a relationship with Michael Jackson and posts AI pictures of them living their life, including her pregnancy and celebrating holidays?

Michelle 2:14

No, I don't know that, and I didn't want to know that. And how are you still assaulting me with information from threads when you've deleted the app again?

Kit 2:23

I'm happy for her. Good for her. Is it? You know, there there are worse hobbies to have.

Steve 2:28

Than being married to dead Michael Jackson?

Kit 2:31

Yeah, there are worse hobbies you can have. There are also better ones. It's true. Yeah, it's not like at the top of the pyramid.

Steve 2:39

And she's like, it's not AI, this is our love. Did she enjoy the movie, Michael? I haven't checked in on her in a little bit. I'm sure she did. Most of threads seem to. One last thing, and then I'll get off threads, okay?

Kit 2:53

Uh you thought you said you were already off threads.

Steve 2:55

No, no, but I mean topic-wise. One, a lot of pictures taken to a lot of people taking pictures of the screen during Toy Story 5 to talk about it.

Kit 3:04

Love that.

Steve 3:05

Among other movies.

Kit 3:06

Hmm.

Steve 3:07

So much I'm gonna take pictures of the screen of me watching this movie and complain about it. I'm like, maybe fucking watch it, you losers. So that's one.

Michelle 3:15

Yeah, great.

Steve 3:16

But two, a lot of posts of people being like, I saw someone mention Nirvana the band. Isn't that guy dead?

Michelle 3:22

No, Matt Johnson's alive. Yeah. And so is Jay McCarroll. Mm-hmm. And what a weird joke. They're they're perfectly alive and healthy.

Steve 3:30

I know. Anyway, it's it's a hellscape. I'm glad to be off of it. I'm sorry for what I put you two through.

Kit 3:36

So you say that now, but I know in about three to six months I'm gonna like have another moment where I'm like, smooth brain, phone time, gonna have a great time talking to my friends. I open up Discord and there it is. A beautiful post that you've screenshotted from threads. It's gonna assault my brain and psyche.

Michelle 3:55

From like Grandma Doreen talking about horse piss for some reason. Because that's what's happening on threads.

Kit 4:04

Yeah, they're talking about how to make tea out of horse piss.

Steve 4:08

We can delete this if you need to.

Kit 4:10

No.

Michelle 4:11

You've said the words that make it make it the most prominent part of the episode. Yeah. You want to know the post? And I think you know that.

Steve 4:18

Yes. Do you know what the post was that made me finally listen to the two of you and delete it?

Kit 4:24

It wasn't just the two of us. There were multiple people telling you. The people were clamoring for you to get off of threads.

Steve 4:32

But as you two saw, friend of the show Emily said she loves threads.

Michelle 4:37

Well, it sounds like her threads is less of a hellscape than yours. It sounds like her threads is nice animal pictures and like knitting or something. She's cultivated a safe and happy space for herself.

Kit 4:50

I also think that you were holding her at gunpoint to say that.

Steve 4:57

A meta app. Let's it's an Instagram app. Thank you very much. Meta app. It's called Threads Colon, an Instagram app. And you could ask, you could text her right now, the lovely woman I'm married to who loves threads. I I still don't believe that. Text her right now, go for it. But do it. We're recording. Steve says you love threads. Uh, but the post that made me finally seal the deal was question for all Holocaust survivors. Why didn't you stop it? And I was like, I can't do this anymore. It's not funny anymore.

Michelle 5:32

Uh what a question.

Steve 5:35

Told you you could delete this.

Kit 5:38

Why do you keep downloading this app? I don't understand. At least with apps that I know that hurt me, like when I was on the dating apps, like it was like, I will eventually, in theory, there's hope for me that something good will come out of this. There's nothing good that will come out of downloading threads. Like you're not gonna meet your soulmate on there.

Michelle 5:55

For all the psychic damage that TikTok has definitely caused me and all the brain it's atrophied. I there've been some pretty good jokes and some pretty good dog videos. And I don't think that's true of the version of Threads that you were experiencing, based on the many, many, many screenshots you have shared.

Steve 6:14

I think it's just I don't engage with any posts. You're just getting the raw feed of what Threads wants to show you. I think the sewage, pure unfiltered garbage. Like, hey, if you are any of my kids, please speak to me, and then the phone number at the end of it.

Kit 6:34

Uh everyone, please hold. We have breaking news. We have a response on whether or not your lovely wife likes threads. I wouldn't say I love it, but I do enjoy it from time to time. He gets all these random weirdo threads, and I get more curated ones because I guess I spend more time on it.

Steve 6:53

So she spends more time on it than I do.

Michelle 6:58

I mean, you're saying this in a tone that sounds like it's damning, but I think it's only damning to you. And she wouldn't say she loves it.

Steve 7:09

Well, Phoenix Wright, you've gotten me.

Michelle 7:14

This has been Steve's threads intervention. Part six. Didn't we rope Carson into this last time?

Steve 7:23

That's why I brought up threads. I felt like it was a hanging thread to and just kind of close the loop on my demented threads obsession.

Michelle 7:38

And as we know, with all things that we promised to stop mentioning on this show, it definitely, definitely won't come up again. Exactly. It will not become a recurring bit.

Steve 7:48

Alright, listeners. Uh-oh. If you are on threads, you send them posts that are psychotic if you find them. And I won't do it when you're doing that.

Kit 8:00

Who is sending who posts? What do you mean?

Steve 8:02

I don't know. I want it to involve the listeners somehow. I want them to feel part of this.

Kit 8:06

Listeners, please email us at nirvana the pod at gmail.com and tell Steve to stop fucking downloading threads. Colon and Instagram app. Colon and Instagram app.

Steve 8:19

Let's go talk about something totally normal like Nirvana the Band, the show.

Kit 8:23

If we must. Um, all right. Well, before we do that, we should probably talk about it.

Steve 8:28

Okay, fine. So there's also this other lady who is regularly posting about cut his feed.

Kit 8:35

What?

Michelle 8:37

Cut their feed. Oh my god, it worked.

Kit 8:41

We we did it. Now, welcome to Nirvana the Band, the show of the podcast, co-hosted by Kit and Michelle, where we are gonna spend the next episode talking about Disney Channel original movies. Mm-hmm.

Michelle 8:51

And characters in Genshin Impact that we think are cute. So many. No! Oh, I see that Steve is referencing the Fontaine arc where you had to um solve little court cases in Genshin Impact. All of our favorite game.

Kit 9:08

Remember that time that guy died, and then Paimon was just like, what if I put on a silly mustache and we we solved the mystery? And I was like, that guy got fucking murdered, bro.

Michelle 9:16

That was so crazy. It's really spoiled.

Steve 9:19

Genshin Impact three years ago.

Michelle 9:25

Um, let's let's check in. Yeah. All right. Let's check in. We've gotten so far afield in the last 12 and a half minutes.

Kit 9:33

Yeah. Let's check in on our plans, of which we have so many of. Uh the first being, have we gotten a cease and desist?

Steve 9:42

Nope.

Kit 9:42

Nothing. Nothing for me. All right. Uh have we heard from Matt and Jay?

Michelle 9:47

I did see a blue ja recently. Um and I asked if it wanted to come on the podcast and then it flew away. So that's a maybe? That feels like a maybe, yeah.

Kit 9:58

I do want to ask, have we considered that part of the reason why we haven't heard from Matt and Jay's because they're not real? We've only ever really seen them on our screens.

Michelle 10:09

If that's true, we should investigate this. Have we ever seen them in the same room? Yes. No. Silly question.

Steve 10:19

Have we ever seen Matt Johnson with sweatpants that were rolled all the way down?

Kit 10:24

No. I don't think so. That's a number one indicator he might not be real. Um all right. Well, moving on to our other dream guests who are real. I know we took a bunch of folks off the board. Uh Ruder Herzog. I know we took off Frank Azaria because he said no. Um, have we heard anything from Lydia Tarr? Frank Isaria, Hank Azaria.

Steve 10:49

It's a Frank Stallone, Sylvester Stallone situation.

Kit 10:52

Have we heard from Frank Azaria?

Michelle 10:54

No, but I would love to, and I would love to hear what he thinks about his brother Hank.

Steve 10:59

There is at some point that I have ordered a quarter pound of roast beef from a guy named Frank Azaria.

Kit 11:05

Can you come on the pot?

Steve 11:06

You get a deli man on this podcast, and I'll be in love forever.

Kit 11:11

Yeah. Uh I mean, we don't have the board, so I don't know who's on the board anymore.

Steve 11:16

The Canadian arm of the International Space Station. Oh, that's right. I've not heard back. Sorry, guys, I left the board in the other room.

Michelle 11:23

I keep sending up um like weather balloons with requests and hoping that they make it past the stratosphere and no dice yet, but we just get some stronger balloons.

Kit 11:34

Have we heard from Buzz Lightyear? I feel like he would be a great of Star Command. Like, what's he up to? I'm sure he also knows the the Canadian arm of the ISS, probably.

Michelle 11:44

Yeah, everyone in space knows each other. I think it's a pretty small world.

Kit 11:47

Yeah.

Steve 11:48

I'll tell you what he's doing. Going on a delightful adventure in story Toy Story 5.

Kit 11:52

Sponsored? Hashtag ad.

Steve 11:54

Yeah.

Kit 11:54

Toy Story Five is sponsoring this podcast.

Steve 11:58

That would be incredible. That would be Pixar. You made two good movies in one year for the first time in forever. Give us money. What? Hoppers Rights.

Kit 12:07

Hoppers was great. What was the other one?

Steve 12:09

Toy Story Five.

Kit 12:10

Oh.

Steve 12:10

Two good Pixar movies in one year. When was the last time that happened?

Michelle 12:15

I can't weigh in. Hoppers is great. I will watch it.

Steve 12:18

Alright, Michelle, your homework. We haven't done homework in a while. Your homework is to watch Hoppers. No problem. Now streaming on Disney Plus.

Kit 12:26

Alright, are there any other dream guests that we wanted to check in on before we move on to the episode? They know who they are. Well then let's get into episode two, the booking. Matt and Jay devise a plan to get Nirvana of the Band listed as playing the Rivoli by having it published in Now magazine. What did we think?

Steve 12:44

Love this episode. It's so fucking funny. How about you two?

Michelle 12:48

I really liked it. I think not quite as much as The Banner, but I was really I was just giggling my whole way through, having a really nice time. I adore this episode. I think it's so fun.

Steve 12:59

This is some of the best physical comedy they've done is on this episode. Like a lot of goofball J stuff. Yeah. I love how this episode opens. It's just like straight into why hasn't the Rivoli called them back? It's just this continuation of plot, but in like a really subtle way.

Michelle 13:24

That feels like sort of a piece that they kept going from the web series, which I remember one of the first conversations we had about this was like I was surprised by the amount of continuity from episode to episode. But they're also still sort of their own distinct things. And as long as you know that they're trying to get a show at the Rivoli, you can mostly follow along and delighted to see that that seems to carry into the TV show 10 years later.

Steve 13:51

A little behind-the-scenes info from this episode, I was reading an interview uh when I was researching for the last episode. Uh, and in Now magazine, they referenced the fact that uh Matt and Jay stormed their offices uh and were basically harassing the front desk staff to get in. And one of the staffers was like, uh do these guys call themselves Nirvana the Band? And they were like, Yes. So like it was this whole thing of like they went to the two different offices for Nail magazine, even though they had an in to get in and still tried to like do sneaky shit. And I think that is so funny and such a good commitment to doing this show where they're like, we have an in that would make this easier, but we are not gonna take it.

Michelle 14:36

That's so funny. I was wondering about how they filmed some of that stuff and um if they had a friend at the magazine or if they truly did sneak their way in.

Steve 14:46

Well, throughout this episode, and you know, we can go through it, you know, as they come up if we want, but there are multiple times where when they are trying to be sneaky, someone clocks the camera and they leave it in. I know we were talking about the lady who waved at the camera last episode. There's one point when they're walking down the street and there's a woman who sees that they're filming and steps back as to not ruin the shot, sees that it's going on for a little too long, gives up and walks through it. And I love that they're leaving this shit in.

Michelle 15:21

Yeah, it makes it feel so like lived in and like you. I mean, this goes this goes back to the thing that I brought up in the very first episode, which is like I feel like I'm part of the crew making this show a little bit, including seeing other people in the world react to them. Um, I'm the fifth person laughing also.

Steve 15:42

It also really rewards multiple like rewatches because the first time you see this, and I don't know if this is your experience, Michelle, like I felt that I was so in on what the fuck are these guys doing that I didn't notice these little touches, and on like repeated watches is when I start noticing that stuff.

Michelle 16:01

Yeah, I think it's it's definitely an interesting experience to be watching this, and like I'm watching every episode multiple times before moving on to the next one, which I think is a weird thing to do in the age of streaming, and like half the shows that I watch right now, I'm just sort of binging, and this is the opposite of that of just very slowly and deliberately watching things and looking for details. Um, which is an interesting thing. I'll be curious once I have the context of the entire season or the entire show, sort of what threads are connecting through that I'm still missing, even though I'm watching it multiple times and very closely, but um, it is interesting.

Steve 16:44

What threads?

Kit 16:46

No, no, cut their mic, cut their mic right now.

Steve 16:50

No, you're you're totally right. Uh, and having spent so much time talking about the web series, and I always used to just kind of zoom through it on a rewatch, but on this time, I'm really seeing the parallels of like where they were taking those ideas from the web series and tweaking them to make them a little better, and that's really neat to see too.

Michelle 17:08

Yeah, absolutely.

Steve 17:10

So we open on, as we're said, uh talking about how they didn't get called back, and Matt says, Oh, we are gonna get our band listed as playing in the Rivoli on the schedule in Now magazine, and then they're gonna have to let us play, which is such a 10-year-old's idea of a plan, and I love it.

Kit 17:29

I also love that opening so much to this episode because uh that there's a part where Matt holds up now magazine and he's like, Are you familiar with Now magazine? And Jay is like, Yeah, and then Matt continues on with the plan, and then Jay's like, they have great patios, like lists of patios and things to do. And Matt gets mad at him, like, no, we're not doing that. And Jay's like, so sad, like I thought we were doing a now magazine bit. It's so funny to me every time.

Michelle 17:55

I also read that as like Jay was like, Oh, they had stuff for friends to do together, and we're just gonna like go to brunch. That's so nice, and then he's so sad.

Steve 18:05

And Matt whacks him in the face with the issue, like he's a dog. So funny, but so awful. You know how you guys called me Matt in a previous episode?

Kit 18:16

Yeah, because you keep hitting us with newspapers.

Steve 18:18

That's me. Newspaper slapper extraordinaire. You know, the plan that they come up with is they are going to go to the Rivoli, call now magazine from the Rivoli, so that the caller ID says the Rivoli, and say put Nirvana the band on the schedule. And then Matt says, Oh, like that movie, what is it that Matthew Lillard said? Oh, Neo is fighting Morpheus. Oh, that's a combination of two films. And I was like, fuck. This is what dealing with me is like just stream of consciousness, pop culture shit. You the half of it doesn't make sense. Was that an accurate read?

Kit 18:54

I mean, yeah, sometimes you do say things that I'm like kind of just using context clues, but yeah, yeah.

Steve 19:01

You know, you could just ask.

Kit 19:02

That's always dangerous.

Steve 19:04

That's true.

Kit 19:05

This could be threads. Yeah.

Steve 19:08

I promise I will not download it for at least six months.

Michelle 19:12

Thank you. Can we get that in writing?

Steve 19:15

Yeah, it's on recording.

Kit 19:16

Okay. That's a legal contract.

Steve 19:18

Yeah. Oh my god. If I download it in six months, it'll be Christmassy.

Kit 19:22

Merry Christmas, listeners. We're going through Steve's threads account.

Steve 19:26

Oh no. A real gift to us all.

Kit 19:29

Um, I do love that Matt, his initial plan was not to go and steal the phone with Rively, it was to hack the iPhone.

unknown 19:38

Yes.

Kit 19:39

Very simple, easy thing to do. Good job. Yeah.

Steve 19:42

There's a great bit where Matt is c pretending to call using his fingers, and he's like, bring, bring, bring, bring. And then Jay matches that, and Matt gets really angry because there's an actual phone next to Jay and he's not using it, even though Matt is using his hand.

Kit 20:00

Jay is so useless in this episode. I love him so much. I when I was watching this earlier today, I just I I you know when you have cute aggression where something's so cute you just want to like smother it. I was just like, You're so cute. I just want to squish you to death. You have no thoughts.

Michelle 20:17

Yeah, he's a real sweetie, a real dumb sweetie in this one.

Steve 20:21

This is actually the stupidest we've ever seen, Jay.

Kit 20:25

Yeah. And I'm gonna squish him like a bug. A bug's life.

Steve 20:28

Another Pixar film, that's pretty good.

Kit 20:30

That didn't come out this year. Sorry.

Steve 20:33

Apologies that I want to think of the adventures of Flick and the other bugs from a Bugs Life, I can't remember.

Kit 20:39

The bugs have names. I thought they were just Caterpillar and the other one.

Steve 20:42

And Kevin Spacey.

Michelle 20:46

Kevin Spacey is in a bug's life? Yeah, he's a villain. Well, the grasshopper. The A Bug's Life and a DreamWorks movie called Ants came out like within a year of each other. And those two movies have just fused permanently together in my mind. And Ants, I think, is a horrifying film. I don't think I ever saw Ants.

Steve 21:06

Ants is, I hate to say it, pretty good. Not that I'm gonna watch the Woody Allen ant movie ever again.

Kit 21:12

It's a Woody Allen movie?

Steve 21:14

Yeah, it starts with Woody Allen and Sylvester Stallone.

Michelle 21:17

I remember being very frightened of it as a child and almost nothing else. Because they are like accurate ants.

Steve 21:24

Like they look like real ants and a cute cartoon.

Michelle 21:26

It was much scarier than a bug's life. Maybe in plot also, but certainly in visuals.

Steve 21:32

I like that they came out concurrently and one has Woody Allen and the other has Kevin Spacey. Two normal guys with no problems. I like the part where the grasshopper says, Let me be frank. Ooh. That's the first time I brought that up on this podcast. Be proud of me.

Kit 21:50

I feel like it came up before.

Steve 21:51

No, I've never once brought up Kevin Spacey's infamous Christmas Eve video, Let Me Be Frank.

Kit 21:57

Hmm. I'm not familiar with that, Steve. Can you tell me? Tell me more about Kevin Spacey's infamous Christmas video, Let Me Be Frank.

Michelle 22:04

Infamous series of Christmas videos.

Steve 22:06

You never really did see me die.

Michelle 22:08

Let me be Frank err.

Steve 22:10

Uh another bit of uh our friendship lore. Uh for a for those of you who haven't seen this, which we do not recommend that you watch it.

Kit 22:20

I cannot recommend it that's the opposite of tar.

Steve 22:23

Your homework is to watch Kevin Spacey's derage Christmas videos. So after Kevin Spacey was uh cancelled for being a sex pest, allegedly, I don't want to get sued. Um, he put out a series of videos as his character Frank Underwood, including the first one where it was Christmas Eve, and he's talking about how, oh, you loved me, didn't you? I was bad and you wanted it. And you know you never really did see me die.

Michelle 22:52

And it's upsetting that you have it memorized.

Steve 22:55

For I guess unsurprising given how many times you've watched that video, but this is like what I revealed to the listeners that I've listened to the Gal Gateau Imagine video uh several times.

Kit 23:05

But uh The threads thing is starting to make sense. It really is.

Michelle 23:10

I'm just a glutton for punishment.

Steve 23:12

I am. We have a movie club where I screen movies for my dear friends that are on this call. And um for a while there, I would randomly start playing Kevin Spacey's Let Me Be Frank when I said I was gonna put on something else.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Steve 23:30

Until I think it got to the point where you two were actually mad at me and I had to stop.

Kit 23:34

It would get really heated in the chat whenever we saw his his face.

Michelle 23:39

Well, and then you stopped for a while, and then you did start doing it again.

Kit 23:43

Yeah, you kind of lulled us into like a false sense of security that like the bit was over and we could move on, you know, as a society, and then you're like, never mind, I'll pull any bitches back in.

Michelle 23:53

And the worst part is that every time you did it, you would be like, Oh, I have this cool piece of like lost media to show you, this really interesting thing that I found, and then the screen would be black and then it would fade in to Kevin Spacey in a little Christmas themed apron in his weirdly lit kitchen, being a weird guy.

Kit 24:13

And we were just sitting there so excited to see another VHS tape on how to have cyber sex, and you were like, no, here's this fucking video of Kevin Spacey kind of threatening you.

Michelle 24:25

Do you know what makes it And the thing is, you've shown us so many fun and delightful and charming things that I never ever would have seen without you, and I love you and I appreciate you for that, and also you have made me watch Let Me Be Frank at least at least 12 times.

Kit 24:42

Like we had to broker a truce with you to get you to stop. Now you can only show it whenever a new person joins movie club.

Michelle 24:50

What did we ex- We exchanged something for Let Me Be Frank at some point?

Kit 24:55

Because he Steve, they they kept posting about the Muppet perverts, and it got to a point where I was just like, I'm gonna nuke the server. I can't do this anymore. If I see the Muppet perverts one more time, I like I will not explain the Muppet perverts.

Michelle 25:14

They're not explaining that.

Steve 25:15

No, but I really love that you said the Muppet perverts as if that's something everybody knows.

Kit 25:22

Everybody knows about them. Uh, because we know about them, because they were a specter haunting our Discord server for months. And so, like, it was a hostage negotiation where it was just like, you get this, let me be frank, whenever a new person joins movie club. In exchange, I never want to see those fucking perverts ever again.

Michelle 25:43

And yeah, I think all of this to say maybe you do have a little bit of Matt Johnson chaos energy. And this is an intervention.

Steve 25:54

Fine, I accept it. Also, I really love that we've talked about this enough that when Kit does the carousel of out of context, she has to post a picture of Kevin Spacey in an extra!

Kit 26:03

Hey, as long as it's not the Muppet Burbert. Can you at least put Matt's hat on? Oh my god. Yes, I will.

Michelle 26:13

Please. Let me play the Rivelly. You never did see me play the Rivelly. Maybe just put Matt's whole face over Kevin Spacey in his Christmas apron.

Kit 26:24

And then we can print it out and mail it to him. And that'll take it. To Kevin or to Matt? To Matt to get him on the pot. No.

unknown 26:32

No.

Kit 26:32

No mail to Kevin Spacey. I don't think he has a mailbox.

Steve 26:36

Not allowed. Remember, we said he was living out of Airbnbs in Israel or some shit?

Kit 26:40

Why would we know that?

Steve 26:42

Why wouldn't you know that? You know, keep up with the phone. I do have a side chat with another friend where in which we share Kevin Spacey updates.

Kit 26:51

Are you on like a different part of the internet? Do you have access to a different section of it that's just Kevin Spacey? Do you have like the Kevin Spacey Jeremy Renner app on your phone? The Kevin Spacey space?

Steve 27:01

No, I have a group chat of a bunch of gay near theater nerds. Who do you think we're talking about? I don't know. Kevin Spacey.

Michelle 27:09

Kevin Spacey would not have been very high on my list of what a group chat full of gay theater nerds is talking about, to be totally honest.

Steve 27:18

Uh, it was him sexually, allegedly, sexually harassing Anthony Rapp that brought that whole house of cards down. Jail. For you and Kevin Spacey. Gang, I'm cooking with gas tonight.

Kit 27:30

And I'm gonna jump off a bridge.

Michelle 27:32

You know what I really loved about this episode of Nirvana the Band The Show? Because this was the return of the Growing Pains theme song. A theme song that I love very much.

Steve 27:43

Yes, that is very, very exciting.

Michelle 27:45

And I like that it got a little spooky. They like did something weird to the audio and it sounded a little haunted in there for a second.

Steve 27:52

And and this one they follow up by adding in uh like a laugh track, and then when they show Jay in like a leather jacket, it goes oooooo.

Michelle 28:01

Correctly. Yeah. My notes for that section of the episode just say in all caps, return of the growing pains opening, hell yeah. And then next line, all caps, return of Jay's leather pants, hell yeah. I felt very strongly positive about both of those things happening in succession. I'm glad that his pants didn't rip that time. He's also looking very hot on this episode.

Kit 28:25

He is. I I will say that Vice Land Jay was created in a lab for me to have a crush on.

Steve 28:31

Yeah. Same.

Kit 28:33

All of us, maybe? Yeah.

Steve 28:35

A little bit, but definitely Kit.

Kit 28:37

Yeah. Dumb, fluffy haired guy with leather pants with his dick waving around. That's me.

Steve 28:44

So Matt goes in the most ridiculous disguise I've ever seen. It's just a big ol' kind of fat suit, mostly just pillows, and a different scarf this time, not a red one, a yellow one.

Michelle 28:56

RIP. R.I.P.

Steve 28:57

the red scarf scarf. And sunglasses. And he goes to the Rivoli and he sits down, starts calling the waiter Daddy O. Iconic. It's so funny. And starts asking questions about the menu as if he's my aunt who has dementia.

Kit 29:13

He's he's in for a late lunch. How is the calamari? How is this salad? How is that salad? What about the Wookiee balls?

Michelle 29:21

And and the guacamole chips, of course. Yeah. Um has this episode was it was this waiter in an episode of the web series? He feels so familiar, and it could just be that I watched this episode three times and now I recognize him like a friend. I I I can't be wrong. He feels just like a really good waiter guy. Who's really talking down an insane customer who's like, hey, that's a lot for a light lunch, and also who are you talking to?

Steve 29:50

Yep. The reason I think he may not have been, because he seems like someone who, unless he's a very good actor, was like, something funny's going on here with this guy. I gotta figure it out. So it made me go, like, maybe he doesn't know who Matt is, because we know the Rivoli knows who they are.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

Mm-hmm.

Kit 30:07

I mean, at this point, do they remember who they are? Because it's been 10 years since the web series, right?

Steve 30:13

They would have to. Like the at least people who were at the Rivoli at the time.

Michelle 30:18

Yeah. I feel like they must.

Steve 30:20

But the staff probably turned over.

Michelle 30:22

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve 30:23

So Jay steals the phone and he's calling now magazine, pretending he's from the Rivoli. I love when he's like, hey Rivoli, as you can see on the caller ID there, and then Matt like totally breaks and is like yelling at him. Mm-hmm. Oh, it's so funny and delightful, these two little goofballs.

Kit 30:40

Yeah, I love Jay going into the Rivoli and just taking the phone from behind the bar so confidently.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Steve 30:48

And then they end it on a laugh track when Matt's like abort abort and runs out of there. Which beautiful button on that. Throw it in the laugh track there.

Michelle 30:56

Yeah, it's really nice.

Steve 30:58

How do we all feel about the next scene?

Michelle 31:00

Back in their apartment. Yep. Um, I like the part where Jay brings up dark matter.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

Mm-hmm.

Michelle 31:06

That part was really nice. I like that on the whiteboard behind them is written guest list. One, me, two, you, three, Jared, four, Andy. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

Mm-hmm.

Michelle 31:16

And the other parts and I thought it was kind of funny.

Steve 31:20

Oh, I think it's incredibly funny.

Kit 31:22

Okay, I wasn't sure what was happening here, but I thought it was pretty funny.

Steve 31:26

I I wanted you two to take the lead on this one.

Kit 31:28

Uh yeah, no, I I think it's really funny. And I also love that they have that gigantic, like censored by Vice Land over Matt during that, which is so funny because it's like the only time they really censor him. Really? I think so. Yeah. It's usually it's Jay that gets censored.

Steve 31:44

It had to have been real fucked up.

Kit 31:46

Yeah.

Michelle 31:47

I would love to know what he's saying under there.

Steve 31:50

Would you?

Michelle 31:51

Yeah. Maybe not. I do.

Steve 31:54

Because they introduce Mr. Finn, their big fat pedophile character.

Michelle 31:58

I do. I love the interplay between the two of them there. Which is like Matt going off the rails, Jay being like, maybe don't, and then Matt being like, I will, I will go further off the tracks than anyone ever has. Don't stop me.

Steve 32:13

Matt saying, This is gonna send the whole liberal plane crashing down is very funny. But also what is instantly quotable and shows up on my Instagram feed every so much is him going, We've got it now we've gotta tolerate what when talking about pedophilia as a sexual orientation.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Mm-hmm.

Steve 32:33

It's very disturbing, but also like perfect representation of what like two idiot babies think is edgy humor.

Kit 32:43

Yeah.

Steve 32:44

That is what Edgelord idiots think is funny.

Kit 32:46

And speaking as an Edgelord idiot, that's pretty funny.

Steve 32:50

Yeah. I know pretty much everybody listening to this is watching along, but for those who aren't or haven't seen it in a while, there there is this really interesting thing about this scene that I reflect on a lot, where the joke isn't that it's funny that he's saying pedophile. The joke is my god, this idiot thinks making jokes about pedophilia is funny. And that's such a fine line. You're he's not laughing at the topic. He's like making fun of a type of guy. At least that's my read on it. Because like we're laughing at Matt. Matt doesn't think that Matt Johnson IRL doesn't think that the topic of uh a pedophile is funny. He thinks making fun of Edgelord guys is funny.

Kit 33:38

I suppose I can see that. I don't know. Whenever I look at Matt Johnson, both in real life during this time period and presently, probably I'm not as attuned to that. Um, but I when I whenever I look at Matt Johnson, I do just kind of see like a a guy I hung out with, like back in the day, where it's just kind of like, yeah, he doesn't really think pedophilia is funny, but if the joke merits it, he'll do it, you know? Um I don't know if it goes any deeper than that, but again, it just kind of feels like like, yeah, he's like, you know, he's gonna be offensive for the sake of being offensive, just to be funny.

Steve 34:14

He's a feminist, we find out later.

Kit 34:16

That's true. It's what you say.

Michelle 34:17

It feels a little bit like it feels South Park adjacent of like sometimes the joke is like we're making fun of a kind of person who sucks, and sometimes the joke is like, wouldn't it be funny to say this awful thing? Yeah. And sometimes it's hard to like, maybe it's both, and it's really hard to parse out like which one it is in a given moment. Um, I would be so curious what Matt and Jay think of South Park.

Steve 34:45

Michelle, put it on the question list.

Michelle 34:47

Great, we'll do.

Steve 34:48

Maybe that's the beauty of Nirvana the band, the show. It can be read so many ways.

Michelle 34:53

Yeah, it's true.

Steve 34:54

Did you know that our universe is made up of dark matter?

Michelle 34:58

So crazy. I do I do like very deeply love the idea of being like, I'm uncomfortable, and or maybe or like maybe even just I don't know what to say next, and just saying, Did you know that our universe is made up of dark matter that we can't see or know anything about?

Kit 35:16

And then Matt's reaction just being like, Oh god, like this has come up before is very funny. That whole interaction was really was really great for me.

Steve 35:27

We cut to Matt waiting for now magazine to be delivered.

Michelle 35:31

And some rollerbladers come in straight out of a portal from 1999.

Steve 35:36

He is so angry about those rollerbladers.

Kit 35:38

I mean, I would be too. They they do look like they stepped out of a portal from the 90s and are rollerblading. And there's some really sick rollerblades, too. There are.

Michelle 35:48

They're pretty cool. Do you think any of those rollerbladers have watched Brink? Do you think they started rollerblading because of Brink because they were inspired?

Kit 35:56

Absolutely. I wonder if they have a sponsorship from Team Puppin Suds? Yeah.

Michelle 36:01

I bet they do.

Steve 36:02

Team Cat and Scrub.

Michelle 36:04

Have you ever tried to wash a cat?

Steve 36:05

No. Anyway. I'm allergic. There's something Matt says here that I would love to talk to you two about.

Michelle 36:11

Okay.

Steve 36:12

Matt is ranting about the rollerbladers, and he says, like, it seems like we fell asleep and woke up a real fucking long time later when rollerblading is cool again. Then he looks off camera and says, plot update, we were waiting for the delivery of Now magazine, and Bird had to use the bathroom in the black hole as Jay walks up.

Kit 36:31

Mm-hmm.

Steve 36:31

Who's he explaining the plot of the episode to?

Kit 36:34

To me, personally, his good friend, Kit, watching from the television. Just off screen. Yeah.

Steve 36:40

I just found that so interesting.

Kit 36:42

No, it's a really funny, like, little either meta commentary bit or like him just like talking to whoever's filming, like Jared or whoever, and it's just like, yeah, this is what's going on, and then episode continues.

Steve 36:55

Because it was like, is it, you know, metacommentary, or is it that Matt Johnson, the character, is viewing all of their plans as a plot. And that's why they're being filmed.

Kit 37:06

I mean, he does kind of operate off of video game logic a lot. That's true.

Steve 37:11

It's such a weird little moment, and it could have been nothing. But I ended up pausing the episode and being like, wow, that's really strange to point out the plot of your episode in your episode.

Michelle 37:24

I do think it's funny the way that they choose to interact or not with the camera people, and that like there's clearly many acknowledgments of when they're there and that they're there. But sometimes the show sort of operates as if the camera is like just a floating thing and not a person. And I'm so fascinated by when they choose to acknowledge that and when they just sort of let it be invisible.

Steve 37:51

I would love to have a guest on the show that um had a documentary crew around them at some point. Just like to ask like how often do you forget that they're there?

Kit 38:01

You mean like Werner Herzog? Yeah. Or his camera. Or his camera.

Steve 38:05

Or those cave paintings.

Kit 38:06

Yo. I would freak out if we got the cave paintings.

Michelle 38:10

Yeah, I am actually that would be cool. I I'm so curious what that feels like, and like how long does it take someone to forget, if at all, that they're being followed around. As someone who is like very aware every time there is a camera on them and like acts weird because of it. I can't, I can't possibly imagine. No, me too. But I imagine for some people, or like maybe even if there was a camera with me for long enough, I would just start to forget.

Steve 38:41

But then now magazine finally shows up. This poor delivery guy getting harassed by Matt and Jay trying to get a hold of it.

Michelle 38:47

I love Matt checking like opening the box over and over again before the delivery guy comes as if like they could have just magically appeared inside. As if it spawned.

Kit 38:58

I've done that a million times. And then the part where he's like, if it doesn't show up right now, I'm gonna start beating people up on the street.

Steve 39:06

Normal.

Kit 39:07

Yep.

Steve 39:07

And uh-oh, gang. Turns out Jay just said nirvana.

Kit 39:12

There's just nothing in his brain, man. In this one, there's nothing up there.

Michelle 39:16

The interaction where Matt's saying, like, well, what'd you say? And Jay says, I said nirvana of the band, and the guy on the phone said nirvana, and I said, Yeah. And the way he says yeah, with like a little tiny voice crack is so precious to me. I want to like put it in a bottle and put it in my pocket and carry it around with me forever. It's so sweet. And then you just watch his face fall because he realizes what he's done. I fucked up. Oh, I fucked up.

Steve 39:46

There's a great bit of chemistry where like they're talking about Kramer, like a Kramer bit, and Jay assumes Matt knows about Seinfeld, and Matt's like, oh, Kramer, is that the Jewish woman? And then Jay thinks it's a joke, and Matt's like, no, really.

Michelle 40:01

Well, that like two of my favorite lines in this episode happen in rapid succession because it's Jay's voice cracking on the little yeah, and then it's him saying, I think I'm a little more Kramer than you. Which is the wrongest he's ever been about anything in his life. The least Kramer man of all time, I think. Jay's a George.

SPEAKER_02 40:24

Mm-hmm.

Michelle 40:25

And especially like maybe not the least Kramer man of all time, but certainly the least Kramer of these two particular men.

Steve 40:31

Mm-hmm. He's anxious and has raw sex appeal. He's the George.

Michelle 40:35

Wow. I never thought about the raw sex appeal of George Costanza, but you're right.

Steve 40:41

There's the episode where he uh wins over Marissa Tomei.

Michelle 40:45

I have watched every episode of Seinfeld, most of them multiple times, but almost all of them as a child. And so I think my understanding of what was happening on like 90% of that show is slightly confused. Most of the jokes went over my head. It's a cursed property now. Yeah. And I like can't go back and appreciate as an adult because just there's too much.

Steve 41:10

Michael Richards, a guy who's never said anything bad on stage, and Jerry Seinfeld, a guy who uh has never dated a 17-year-old. Or laughed at genocide. Julia Dreyfus, funny and hot though.

Michelle 41:23

Unproblematic queen that we know of.

Steve 41:26

Please don't. That's a lifelong crush for me. Don't take that away.

Kit 41:29

I said that we know of. That's that's a positive. We don't know yet.

Steve 41:33

I have yet. Three longtime celebrity crushes, one of them got canceled, so please.

Kit 41:39

Who got cancelled? Kevin Spacey?

Steve 41:41

Yeah, obviously. No, there was that time when Rose McGowan screamed at a trans woman at a like book event.

Kit 41:48

Uh oh.

Steve 41:49

So she was she was out. Uh Kelly Clarkson, unproblematic fave still.

Kit 41:53

Kelly Clarkson?

Steve 41:55

Oh yeah. Since that first season of American Idol, I've had a crush on her.

Michelle 41:58

Sure. Okay. Listen. I think that's a surprising one for you, but sure. Yeah. As with most things baseball.

Steve 42:03

My Mrs. Matt isn't a crush. That's a true love.

Michelle 42:06

Okay. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry if we're not taking it seriously enough.

Steve 42:10

Just like my deep love of Pete Alonzo, my baseball boyfriend, him and Mrs. Met. That's love.

Michelle 42:16

I'm so happy for you too.

Kit 42:17

I miss Pete. I miss Pete every day.

Steve 42:20

I miss Pete so much.

Kit 42:22

That hurt when they traded him. That hurt me so deeply, and I just got here.

Steve 42:28

In this household, you would have thought one of our relatives died when Pete Alonzo was not re signed to the New York Mets. No. Are there any other Mets fans that listen to the show? Probably not, right?

Kit 42:39

Please email us at nirvana the pod at gmail.com with your favorite Met.

Steve 42:44

Happy Pride to Mike Piazza. Mike Pizza. Do you know about this, Michelle?

Michelle 42:49

Mike Piazza?

Steve 42:50

Gay Mike Piazza?

Michelle 42:52

No. I'm familiar with the concept of Mike Piazza. But what if he was gay that he that would be fun?

Steve 42:58

For i it's still pride when we're recording this. Not we're, you know, to peek behind the curtain. But for a certain point, there was a longtime rumor that Mike Piazza was in a relationship with now openly gay weatherman Sam Champion.

Michelle 43:13

That's a great name for a weatherman.

Steve 43:15

Yeah. He's still around, looking great. Still doing the weather? Still doing the weather. I think he does it for Good Morning America. He's on one of the national ones now.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Thanks.

Steve 43:25

But Mike Piazza had to hold a press conference to say, I'm not gay. And then the cover of the newspaper was Mike Piazza, I'm not gay. That's fun. What a weird time to be alive.

Michelle 43:39

When was this happening? I have a concept of Mike Piazza. I have to be able to do that. 2000 when he was a baseball player.

Kit 43:45

But didn't Mike Piazza also say, like, if I was gay, I'd do it all the way.

Steve 43:50

I would be gay all the way. I think about this.

Michelle 43:53

I was about to ask if if it was like a not gay but supportive message, and that feels like the most. Most supportive way you can say I'm not gay.

Steve 44:02

Yeah, Mike Piazza said I'm not gay, I'm heterosexual, and that if he was gay, he would be gay all the way.

Kit 44:08

Which is a great turn of phrase. That's fun. I like that about him.

Steve 44:12

Don't look up anything else about his beliefs. Uh oh.

Kit 44:16

You can look him up on AO3. Uh there are a couple good Mike Piazza fanfics on there. Have you read them champion or with other phenomenal that I think I've shared before? That is so good. Uh Steve has just screen shared uh the cover of the New York Post uh that says rumors force Piazza to clear the air. I'm not gay in the biggest font you could ever use.

Michelle 44:45

Choice of a picture to run with that, also. They have to get him looking straight.

unknown 44:51

Yeah.

Michelle 44:52

I'm not sure they did it. Look at his eyes. They're not pointed straight on. The best sports in town. Anyway, just Wow. Maybe I should learn things about sports history. This would be good for my Jeopardy ambitions. And also, it seems like there's a lot of fun stuff in there.

Steve 45:14

Michelle, you would be such a baseball sicko.

Michelle 45:17

So many numbers to learn. You don't have to learn the numbers.

Steve 45:20

You have to learn numbers.

Kit 45:22

Moneyball told me that I had to do spreadsheets. You don't have to do that. That's only if you own a team, which you do not, to my knowledge.

Steve 45:28

Yeah. There is a delightful book I highly recommend reading called So Many Ways to Lose. So many Ways to Lose. It's a history of the New York Mets told by a Mets fan who has long suffered. It's really fun. It's a really quick read. Also, uh The Bad Guys One. And The Bad Guys One, which is a book about the 1986 Mets that won the World Series. Guys, I'm so happy talking about the Mets on this podcast about Nirvana Band.

Michelle 45:55

Um, I do we have we have a friend who the the dog, the the voice that we do for her dog is um is just saying, let's go mitz. Hell yeah. So I'm already halfway to being a fan, I think.

Kit 46:09

Uh Michelle, did you ever read that very old Deadspin article where they determine that baseball is the horniest sport? No. I will send it to you after this. It's it's fantastic.

Michelle 46:22

That sounds great. That's a shocking answer. It seems like on its surface, as a person who does not know a whole lot about sports, that it would be one of the least horny sports.

Kit 46:32

You would think that, but when you read the article, you it lays it out so clearly just how incredibly horny baseball is between like when they play their little outfits, all of that. It's very horny.

Steve 46:45

Also, baseball is the sport of weirdos. There's so much lore, there's so much weird shit that happens. It's so beautiful.

Michelle 46:56

And I do like eating hot dogs in the sun. So I can't wait for my next era as a baseball fanatic.

Steve 47:02

You know, we we said the goal of this show was to get Matt and Jay to come on the show, but secretly the goal all along is to get Michelle into baseball.

Kit 47:10

And to get Mrs. Met on the pod.

Steve 47:13

I I'd be arrested.

Kit 47:15

How?

Michelle 47:16

For what?

Steve 47:17

Just my eyeballs would pop out and I'd yell a wooga.

Michelle 47:20

Yeah, that is illegal. A crime in 46 states.

Steve 47:25

Anyway, back to the show. Unless you're a Mets fan, then you can call in and we'll talk about the Mets more. But if you haven't left the podcast yet, Matt you're doing here. Yeah, right? Seriously. Where Matt decides that the new plan is gonna be he is going to sneak into now magazine and call the Rivoli to say actually it was a typo nirvana the band is supposed to be playing at your venue.

Michelle 47:51

It took me like two watches to understand what he was saying the plan was. It's incredibly stupid and convoluted. I love that it involves a little, a little um like telephone repair man outfit.

Steve 48:05

Mm-hmm. He looks like a stripper.

Kit 48:07

I read somewhere that apparently that outfit, the shirt is bright red in real life. And the telephone company that he got the shirt from was upset that he was wearing the shirt for this bit. So they had to rotoscope the shirt to be black, and there are certain scenes where you can kind of see the red reflecting like on his neck and on his arms. Just a little bit of a tidbit little trivia for you.

Steve 48:34

That's incredibly funny. He I love that he goes and he's claiming he's gonna test the line, and this woman at the desk just goes along with it. She's like, Yeah, whatever. And then at one point, there's another guy in the office that, as this is escalating and getting weirder, clocks the camera. And you see the camera just kind of try to move out of the way just a little bit after getting clocked. And I thought that was such a smart little move.

Michelle 48:58

Yeah. I will say, I think it would take me probably an embarrassingly long time. If someone in an official looking outfit came to my place of work, to my office, and was like, I just gotta check, I gotta check the phones. I'd be like, do literally whatever in here, go for it.

Kit 49:15

Yeah. And also, I don't think I would have noticed either, because I have my headphones in, so I would not be hearing this conversation that Matt is having on the phone. True.

Michelle 49:24

Yeah. Well, she didn't have her headphones in. First mistake. You always gotta have those headphones in.

Steve 49:30

I've never worked in an office like that, so I wouldn't know what I would do.

Michelle 49:34

I guess to get a desk job now. Yeah.

Steve 49:37

Alright, I'm on it.

Michelle 49:38

For a research purpose. Your homework is get a nine to five job. Get a cubicle.

Steve 49:45

Pack up my job, get a new one.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

Mm-hmm.

Steve 49:49

A thing that's very easy to do in 2026 in America.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

So easily. Yeah.

Steve 49:54

This next bit made me laugh unbelievably hard to the point where I had to pause it. Which is Matt calls the Rivoli, realizes Jay realizes that he's had the Rivoli's phone in his pocket this whole time, and goes to like dramatically run across the street to bring it back and drops it in the middle of the street. It shatters, and then Jay is crawling around in traffic trying to pick up the pieces.

Kit 50:18

This is such a jaywalking episode. Like the amount of times they're just in the fucking street is extremely funny to me. Like when they're getting the shot of Matt going into Now magazine and the camera person almost gets hit by that car.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

Mm-hmm.

Kit 50:32

Like extreme Jaywalking episode. But I also want to say that every single time I watch this episode, I I truly believe Jay will make it across the street and get the phone to the Rivoli. Every single time. If I just keep watching it, they'll get it.

Michelle 50:47

Yeah. Jay drops the phone and it breaks into so many pieces. So many millions more pieces than it ever should have. And I love that choice. I love that he probably just had like a loose handful of plastic when he ran into the street. It's perfect to me. It's so good.

Steve 51:06

And he starts screaming, I need a classic plan. Yes. Which is so funny. It's it's so adorable. And a really nice beat that shows like they've been doing this for so long that Jay's just relying on Matt to have plans.

Michelle 51:23

And that this is like one of the few times that like Matt is taking it seriously, and he is like buttoned up and being a professional in the now magazine office. And Jay's like, are you incognito? Are you undercover? And so it's on him to come up with the plan, and he simply cannot do it.

Steve 51:42

It's nice to see Matt really going for it and being kind of competent. It's also always funny when Matt yells like run and frantically runs out of a room. It always puts a smile on my face.

Michelle 51:55

I like how many of those we get in this episode. It's quite a few.

Steve 51:59

I think it's so such a weird choice that in the next scene they have Jay somberly staring at a Kwame from Captain Planet action figure.

Kit 52:08

I didn't on every time I've seen this, I've just been like, I don't get this joke.

Steve 52:13

Because it wasn't even that he was heart.

Michelle 52:14

He was Earth. Oh. He was thinking about the Earth that the Rivoli's phone smashed into and broke into one million pieces.

Steve 52:23

Yeah, I I don't under- it was it just that they thought it would be funny to have a Captain Planet figure.

Michelle 52:29

I think so. I that feels like a like what's around moment, and maybe not anything more than that. But who knows? Maybe there's a you can put on the question list. Hey, what's up with that Kwame action figure from Captain Planet?

Steve 52:45

The J in the scene is acting like an eight-year-old who broke something in their mom's house and is really scared to tell them.

Kit 52:53

I mean, to be fair, he will get hit by the newspaper. I would also be scared of that.

Steve 52:58

Matt goes to that so quickly.

Kit 53:01

Yeah, he's just like, alright, I'm gonna hit you with this.

Steve 53:03

It was kind of unsettling, I'm not gonna lie. Like in this scene, Matt seems like he is so capable of horrific violence.

Michelle 53:11

Oh, I believe it. I mean, we've seen the web series.

Steve 53:14

Yeah.

Michelle 53:14

Yeah.

Steve 53:14

Oh, you didn't think I was capable of that? He famously says it.

Michelle 53:18

Yeah. I think also when when Jay first pulls the like little computer board from the phone out from his pocket and is like, Matt, I have to tell you, there was a part of me that was like, Oh, he's not gonna lie about it. That's so crazy. And then like slowly, slowly it becomes clear that he is in fact going to lie about it. Yeah.

Steve 53:40

It Matt is both cute and scary in this scene because when Jay's like, oh, this thing, uh uh, it's a part of the piano, Matt's like, oh, okay, you know what? You're a really special guy. This is the best plan we've ever done. And he just believes Jay without question.

Kit 53:56

Yeah.

Michelle 53:57

Ignoring the last like 90 seconds of him acting suspicious. It's really nice.

Steve 54:02

Did either of you have your heart broken at the next scene? Because mine mine was.

Kit 54:07

Oh, where they go to the Rivoli and Jay has to confess.

Steve 54:11

And Matt, like, is so frantically trying to describe, like, oh no, we're supposed to bait play here tonight, and he just looks so sad and defeated.

Michelle 54:21

Mm-hmm. And then Jay says, You were so proud of me, and it felt so good. They're both in like big sad boy hours. Yeah. In this final scene.

Steve 54:31

And the poor doorman for the Rivoli just standing there not knowing what to do.

Michelle 54:36

It does seem like like the doorman is at least aware of the cameras, whether he was like told they were gonna film something or not, but he's standing there asking basically the question that Lizzie asked us, which is Is this funny or is it serious? Because he can't tell. Yet.

Steve 54:52

Yet. I think it's so confident to leave in these moments of people just calling out the show.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

Mm-hmm.

Steve 55:00

Because I think with a less confident series, they would either reshoot or like edit that shit out.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

Mm-hmm.

Steve 55:07

And they're basically doing audience engagement in the middle of a show.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

Mm-hmm.

Kit 55:14

Interesting. Yeah.

Steve 55:15

I think that's so cool. And then a drunk guy walks up.

Kit 55:19

I love this entire bit with this drunk guy. I think it's so funny. Him being on the phone, his entire vibe and outfit.

Michelle 55:28

I love that he asks for 50 cents for a beer. I have no clue if he just needs 50 more cents for a beer. If a beer in Toronto in 2017 cost 50 cents, and I'll never know.

SPEAKER_02 55:40

Mm-hmm.

Michelle 55:41

I will never do the investigative work. Uh, I like not knowing. I like this mysterious old wizard that passes them.

Steve 55:48

And Jay's complete uh generosity, give them three bucks.

Kit 55:52

Yeah. That's a lot of beers if they're 50 cents.

Steve 55:55

Oh yeah. I don't know how they didn't break. Because they're staying in character, and the guy's like, Rock and roll, dude, you're a band. Oh, Nirvana. Like, I don't know how they didn't break.

Michelle 56:07

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Steve 56:08

And then he says, You're in, dude. You're in, dude. And they both decide that they're in, dude. It's really nice. They don't know what that means, but they're they believe it.

Michelle 56:19

Yeah. No, I love that old man. I I like that he's just sort of like a a passing mentor figure who I assume we'll never ever see again. But that's that feels like one of the ideal person on the street interactions for the show of just like, here's a wild person who is passing by and is gonna choose to engage with you in in a delightful way.

Steve 56:42

That guy is a threads post as a person. No. What do you think that guy's threads account is like? Probably uncomfortable.

Kit 56:51

I think he still has that same Nokia phone today, and that phone does not have threads on it.

Michelle 56:56

Yeah, that's not a that man doesn't have a poster's energy. Okay. He's busy living his life. Good for him. He's shouting probably wild things into the air, but it's in real life. Mm-hmm.

Steve 57:09

And we get to the credit sequence, and they show a clip of the Afghanistan scene from the web series where it said next season on Nirvana the Band, so they kept that continuity.

Michelle 57:21

Mm-hmm. They did.

Steve 57:22

Good for them.

Michelle 57:23

I watched the video that that came from. We never talked about it on odds and ends. I but it's like a short film that one of their friends made. Did you watch a kit? No, I've never watched it. Oh, was it? Um It's a little weird. It's a little, it's like they're two soldiers in the desert and um like a Middle Eastern man comes up and they are trying to communicate and they can't. And then I they're also like burying a bunch of hands for some reason. It's very strange. Um I'm tickled by how much they seem to like using the clips of themselves from that movie, but uh it's it's a very odd little duck that I think I forget who made it, but it seemed like it was a friend of theirs doing like a short film project.

Steve 58:16

It's funny as a still image. I don't know if I'd want to watch it for an extended period of time, which is why I haven't. I think that's correct. And then we get an unbelievably delightful post-credit scene.

Kit 58:27

I did really love this. It's very, very funny. It's Matt and Jay in the living room. Um, Matt is playing Mario Kart, and Jay's playing the music for him. Um, and yeah, it's just them playing Mario Kart. At one point, Matt decides that he's winning too much and he's gonna stop, let everyone else catch up. Jay gets mad at him. My favorite part of this is Jay saying very childishly, Well, I'm not gonna play music for you anymore. And then Matt going, I want to hear that song. And then Jay playing immediately.

Steve 59:00

I like Jay going, You've always been that kid going in reverse. Like just a real I'm so sick of your shit.

Michelle 59:08

I love Matt very cockily, like handicapping himself in this in this game of Mario Kart, and then immediately missing the cave jump. Um and then somehow winning anyway.

Steve 59:21

Fuck you, Donkey Kong. And then we find out that they're both feminists.

Michelle 59:26

And Jay likes print media, and we have that in common. Yeah. I like print media. You like print media? I like print media.

Steve 59:34

Jay, you absolute king.

Michelle 59:35

Woman king. Feminist king.

Steve 59:38

Yes, a woman king. I sent both of you this, I believe. I saw a spray painted airbrush t-shirt that said Dolly D on it. And I just went, Hong Chao, Dolly D. And I was like, God damn you, Ariana DeBoes, I'm in the wilds. It's a really good song. Rapping out loud in the middle of Coney Island.

Michelle 1:00:00

Do you think that show or that shirt was made for who is the Dolly D in that song?

Steve 1:00:06

What's her what's hold on, I can pull up her name.

Michelle 1:00:09

Um Dolly Darton.

Steve 1:00:11

No, it's uh Dolly de Leon.

Michelle 1:00:13

Oh, I don't know who that is. From Triangle of Sadness and As we discussed last time, I never watched that one because um I kept saying, I'll watch that that sad Holocaust movie next time. Oh wait, no, Triangle of Sadness isn't the No, that's the heavy-handed Zone of Interest is what I'm thinking of.

Steve 1:00:31

Totally different films.

Michelle 1:00:32

Yep. Never mind.

Steve 1:00:34

Dolly de Leon is also on uh that maximum pleasure guaranteed, that Tatiana Maslani show.

Michelle 1:00:40

I do have that on my on my spinny wheel. It's fine. Did you make a spinny wheel? I made a spinny wheel. I'm so excited.

Steve 1:00:48

I love that for both of you.

Michelle 1:00:49

I'm really excited. We watched the drama.

Steve 1:00:52

How was that?

Michelle 1:00:53

It was good. Not because of the spinny wheel. I made the spinny wheel after. But it was pretty good.

Steve 1:00:58

I watched Sully again.

Kit 1:01:00

Great movie.

Steve 1:01:01

I bought the 4K today.

Kit 1:01:03

Wow.

Steve 1:01:03

It was on sale for $12. Yeah.

Kit 1:01:06

I got to explain the miracle on the Hudson to somebody last weekend. What? And it was wow. Incredible. Um this person was too young to remember this. They I I think they were Yeah, they they were younger. And so when I was talking about Captain Sully, they were like, I don't know what you're saying.

Steve 1:01:26

What was the context?

Kit 1:01:27

Because me talking about Sully randomly is understandable, but uh well, it it made sense in context because I was at an all-day Magic the Gathering event at my friend's house. Cool. And we were talking about the decks that we had brought, and my partner John has a Captain Sully themed magic deck that he put together that we call Miracle on the Hudson, where he is making a bunch of birds and using those birds to pilot vehicles. So Hell yeah.

Michelle 1:02:00

I didn't know you could do that in Magic the Gathering.

Kit 1:02:02

You can do so many things in Magic now, it's crazy. But I was explaining that to this person and they were like, I don't get it. And I was like, oh my god, I'm so excited that I get to crack open a beer and explain this to you.

Steve 1:02:13

Did you tell them to watch Clint Eastwood's masterpiece, Sully?

Kit 1:02:17

No, I did not. But the next time I see them, I will ask them if they remember the Miracle on the Hudson, and then suggest that they watch that and then watch the rehearsal season two. Hell yeah.

Steve 1:02:31

My mother-in-law is visiting, and she tends to be like, What movies do you guys like? And we were like, let's just put on Sully. And she was very confused as to why we kept high-fiving each other at various lines on the film Sully.

Kit 1:02:44

Like, what? What lines are we high-fiving at?

Steve 1:02:47

When he's like, You talk about going back to LaGuardia as if it's coming home and picking up the milk. And I was like, Yeah, Sully! He's like constantly body slamming those guys.

Michelle 1:02:58

It's true.

Steve 1:02:59

I jumped off the couch uh when Aaron Eckhart said I should have done it in July.

Michelle 1:03:04

It's a really great Tom Hanks performance.

Steve 1:03:07

Listeners, please watch Sully. It's like 90 minutes. It's short and it's thrilling. It is a good movie.

Kit 1:03:14

How many of our listeners do we think don't know about the miracle on the Hudson? Is that person in Uruguay still with us? I mean, possibly. I mean, I also took for granted the fact that I thought everyone knew what that was until I was in a situation where I had to explain it to somebody.

Steve 1:03:29

Now you know what it's like to be me on a daily basis. Listeners, I genuinely this is a genuine request. If you do not know what the miracle on the Hudson is, do not Google it. Please call into the voicemail and explain what you think it is. Yes.

Michelle 1:03:45

That would be great. I would love to hear that.

Steve 1:03:47

And we will give you a shout-out on the show.

Michelle 1:03:50

Wouldn't it be crazy if somebody just guessed correctly based on the handful of details that we've given in the last three minutes? Snarge. Great film. You'd have to know what Snarge means. The guy from Monsters Inc. Guy from Monster Celly. Billy Crystal? Oh, right. Sorry, that's secondary cell.

Steve 1:04:10

Um obviously that's secondary cellular, but I'm trying to muddy the waters a little bit.

Michelle 1:04:15

I also thought Billy Crystal first, for the record, and then John Goodman. This is your pilot speaking.

Steve 1:04:20

That's my Billy Crystal impression. Pretty good. It's a wonderful night for the Oscar.

Michelle 1:04:26

Michelle so delightful right now. A whole episode of just Steve doing a Billy Crystal impression. Consider maybe for my birthday.

Kit 1:04:37

That would go sideways so quickly because I have a feeling Steve will have an extended bit about Billy Crystal's blackface days. I didn't know about that. That's great. Yeah, it was fucking nuts that he did that. I didn't know he did that. That was Steve's little joke there about the Oscars. That's why he sang that.

Steve 1:04:58

No, I did that because Billy Crystal for multiple years did a song about it's a wonderful night for the Oscars.

Kit 1:05:05

Oh, and you posted the screen referencing his blackface bit.

Steve 1:05:09

No, I every year watch Billy Crystal's Oscars opening numbers.

Kit 1:05:12

Oh.

Steve 1:05:13

Yeah, including the one for who's kind of elector. No, they're delightful.

Kit 1:05:17

Oh, okay. I have to ask, because it's unclear with you sometimes.

Steve 1:05:20

Yes, no, it's delightful. Genuinely delightful Billy Crystal's Oscar openings. He's like, I'm Hannibal, the cannibal. And I'm like, hell yeah. Billy look, yes. Kit, I feel so loved that Michelle was like, please do an hour as Billy Crystal. And Kit goes, No, he's gonna bring up the blackface thing. That made me feel really special, so thank you.

Kit 1:05:44

Anytime. Anytime.

Steve 1:05:46

What's the most horrifying thing about Billy Crystal?

Kit 1:05:49

That. I just remember watching that live in 2014 and being like, What the fuck is going on?

Michelle 1:05:57

I'm Googling so sadly. 2012. That's too late. I'm upset about what I'm seeing. It's fucked up. And I would like to stop seeing it. Who does he think he is?

Steve 1:06:15

Jimmy Fallon?

unknown 1:06:16

Ah!

Michelle 1:06:17

Jimmy Jim Jimmy Fallon do blackface?

Steve 1:06:20

Oh yeah. He used to pretend he was Chris Iraq.

Michelle 1:06:22

Huh?

Steve 1:06:23

Yeah.

Michelle 1:06:24

Wow. What an upsetting. I I already there's no love lost for for me and Jimmy Fallon, but.

Steve 1:06:31

Wow, this episode really.

Kit 1:06:33

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, these are things the listeners need to know about. I'm learning so much.

Steve 1:06:42

I also think that if you are a fan of Nirvana the band, the show, you are used to several maniacs going off on deranged tangents. Yep.

Kit 1:06:52

Yeah.

Steve 1:06:52

Every time I worry about this, I'm like, you know, this is kind of what these people are into.

Kit 1:06:58

Um, is there anything else from the booking that we wanted to talk about?

Steve 1:07:02

No, I just love it. It's it's funny and it's good.

Kit 1:07:05

Michelle. Um, no, I love it. It's funny and I think it's good. Amazing, because I also think it's funny and that it's good. Wow, we all agree. All right. Well, that was episode two, the booking. We are gonna be back next week with episode three of the Vice Land series.

Steve 1:07:21

Wait, wait, I'm sorry, Kit.

Kit 1:07:23

Yes. Let me be frank. No! I'm going to jump off a bridge. This is the end of Nirana the Band, the show of the podcast. We will not be releasing any more episodes. Just kidding. We will be releasing more episodes. Are you playing us, but what we've got a fucking YouTube video right now? We had an agreement. Oh my god. We had a truce.

Michelle 1:07:50

We're gonna have to bargain with them again. I maybe we have to let them back on threads.

Kit 1:07:58

No, we're not letting them back on threads. We have to find something else to give them. And you trusted me. I did trust you, Kevin Spacey. Well, thank you all for listening to Nirvana the Band, the show, the podcast. Uh, with special guest, Kevin Spacey. I know. Uh guest will be back next week with episode three of the Vice Land series. Uh leaved everything. And yeah, nothing like a good feeling. Nothing like a good feeling.

Steve 1:08:27

Nothing like a good feeling.

Kit 1:08:29

No! I hate this. Wouldn't that be easy?

Michelle 1:08:32

Do you want to do a different outro?

Steve 1:08:34

No, I think that's perfect.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:40

But you wouldn't believe the worst without evidence, would you? You wouldn't rush for judgment.

Steve 1:08:55

Thank you for listening to Nirvana the band The Show the Podcast. We'd love to hear from you. You can email us or send a voice memo to NirvanaThePod at gmail.com. And we're also on Blue Sky and Instagram at NirvanaThePod. Our website is NirvanaThePod.com. Our show is edited by Kit with additional help edited by John. Special thanks to Anne Meadows for our logo. Oh, and Matt and Jay, if you're listening, we'd love to have you on the show.